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    It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    U.S. led negotiations between Iran and six world powers have concluded with a final, historic agreement that will temporarily cut off Iran's pathway to making a nuclear bomb in exchange for the relief of crippling economic sanctions levied by the U.S. and United Nations.

    Iran has agreed to significantly reduce its stockpile of enriched nuclear material and cease further enrichment, effectively extending the time it would take Iran to build a bomb from a few months to one year, over to 10 years. Upon verification that Iran is keeping its commitments to dismantle much of its nuclear program, major economic sanctions will be lifted, effectively releasing more than $100 billion in frozen Iranian assets. That undetermined point in time is now known as "implementation day."

    Negotiators also agreed that a long-standing arms embargo on Iran would be lifted over time, one of the major sticking points in the talks and a decision that will be seen as a major concession by the United States. The nuclear accord states that five years from now Iran will be able to buy and sell conventional arms on the international market, and in eight years it will be allowed to do the same with ballistic missiles. read more

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Let's hope that it works. If it doesn't, we can always go back to "Plan B."
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    So Iran will have a nuclear weapon within 10 years or sooner. Nothing changed other than Iran is back in the open and Russia can now openly send its shipments.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Letting Israel bomb the heck out of Iran's facilities was available to President Obama, and it was a better deal.

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Nativeson View Post
    Letting Israel...
    Wow. Learn something every day! I never realized that Israel only does what we let them do.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    The title is in error. Nothing "halted" the Iran Nuclear Program - it is business as usual.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by grieker View Post
    The title is in error. Nothing "halted" the Iran Nuclear Program - it is business as usual.
    EXACTLY what would you propose as an alternative?

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Continued sanctions & embargo, negotiate an agreement that does not allow Iran to continue its nuclear arms program, increased military technology sales to Israel, do nothing, full out assault, drop an h bomb, sell Iran all the military equipment they want,... there are a lot of options, some not so smart, others much smarter than what was done. Outside of military action the deal negotiated by our current administration was the worse option for us to take.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Continued sanctions & embargo, negotiate an agreement that does not allow Iran to continue its nuclear arms program, increased military technology sales to Israel, do nothing, full out assault, drop an h bomb, sell Iran all the military equipment they want,... there are a lot of options, some not so smart, others much smarter than what was done. Outside of military action the deal negotiated by our current administration was the worse option for us to take.
    Which of the options do you believe to be the correct one?
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates View Post
    EXACTLY what would you propose as an alternative?
    Dear God woman! Pay attention.

    Increase sanctions - Don't allow anything to be imported or exported from Iran - verify ALL nuclear materials are destroyed/removed from that terrorist State.

    Giving in to terrorists who even AFTER the "deal" was done shout death to America is the Obama operating model. He murdered four Americans in Benghazi - what the hell is four more?
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

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    verify ALL nuclear materials are destroyed/removed from that terrorist State.
    Wow. That sure sounds easy. Please describe EXACTLY HOW you would achieve that goal.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Socrates View Post
    Wow. That sure sounds easy. Please describe EXACTLY HOW you would achieve that goal.
    Surveillance, untethered inspections after of course, visiting ALL known sites and destroying anything and everything nuclear.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by grieker View Post
    Surveillance, untethered inspections after of course, visiting ALL known sites and destroying anything and everything nuclear.
    Great idea. All that's necessary is to find several volunteers willing to illegally enter an unfriendly foreign country with the goal of browsing around and destroying whatever they deem to be undesirable. That suggestion is absolutely amazing!
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Any she's off....to another reality, come back Soc. You are obviously refusing to read the many suggestions given for an alternative. This condition is known as willful ignorance and is not curable without some sort of intervention.

    What would be illegal about entering an unfriendly foreign country if the agreement reached included said actions? Nothing. Are you purposely ignoring real life?

    The deal reached is a bad deal for everyone except the Iranian government. Had we negotiated from a position of strength, which we started with before the current administration came into office, there would be open inspections without warning, continuing sanctions until a ten year period had passed without Iran doing anything like supporting terrorists or attacking another country, reduced sanctions if they passed tIranhat first requirement. We know, known facts, openly admitted by the Iranian government such as it is that they have ALREADY broken the agreed upon terms of the obama debacle yet until someone with a spine on the side of peace enters the discussion, nothing, NOTHING, will be done to Iran.
    More important, the economics of ObamaCare reward scale over competition. Benefits are standardized and premiums are de facto price-controlled. With margins compressed to commodity levels, buying more consumers via mergers is simpler than appealing to them with better products, to the extent the latter is still legal.

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Had we negotiated from a position of strength, which we started with before the current administration came into office, there would be open inspections without warning, continuing sanctions until a ten year period had passed without Iran doing anything like supporting terrorists or attacking another country, reduced sanctions if they passed tIranhat first requirement.
    Why didn't the previous administration sign such a wonderful, marvelous, magnificent, superb, glorious, sublime, lovely, delightful, super, great, fantastic, terrific, sensational, fabulous, awesome brilliant, peachy, dandy, neat, swell agreement?
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Not interested in reading tonight?

    What I laid out was a negotiation plan from the former administration. What we ended up with was a plan to support a terrorist state responsible for killing Americans, holding Americans prisoners and actively calling for war against, you guessed it (second thought you wouldn't), America. Top that up with almost ensuring the increase in tension in the Middle East where now even other Arab nations are shocked at the deal that was made and you have a recipe for disaster. Iran may not achieve a nuclear device soon but any time in the future would put that responsibility squarely on the head of the empty ego sitting at the White House these days. These current talks didn't start with obama but they sure imploded under him.

    So Mrs. Obvious, as this thread is full of competent replies to your queries that you have chosen to ignore, remember willful ignorance?, I will now go forth knowing that I and others have done all we can to help you short of a Baker Act call. Your choice to maintain only a fragile acquaintance with reality, while somewhat endearing, only serves to remind the rest of the futile efforts of trying to secure a submarine with a screen door.
    More important, the economics of ObamaCare reward scale over competition. Benefits are standardized and premiums are de facto price-controlled. With margins compressed to commodity levels, buying more consumers via mergers is simpler than appealing to them with better products, to the extent the latter is still legal.

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Not interested in reading tonight?

    What I laid out was a negotiation plan from the former administration. What we ended up with was a plan to support a terrorist state responsible for killing Americans, holding Americans prisoners and actively calling for war against, you guessed it (second thought you wouldn't), America. Top that up with almost ensuring the increase in tension in the Middle East where now even other Arab nations are shocked at the deal that was made and you have a recipe for disaster. Iran may not achieve a nuclear device soon but any time in the future would put that responsibility squarely on the head of the empty ego sitting at the White House these days. These current talks didn't start with obama but they sure imploded under him.

    So Mrs. Obvious, as this thread is full of competent replies to your queries that you have chosen to ignore, remember willful ignorance?, I will now go forth knowing that I and others have done all we can to help you short of a Baker Act call. Your choice to maintain only a fragile acquaintance with reality, while somewhat endearing, only serves to remind the rest of the futile efforts of trying to secure a submarine with a screen door.
    What's the answer to my question?

    Why didn't the previous administration sign such a wonderful, marvelous, magnificent, superb, glorious, sublime, lovely, delightful, super, great, fantastic, terrific, sensational, fabulous, awesome brilliant, peachy, dandy, neat, swell agreement?
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Holy shit you're dense lately.
    More important, the economics of ObamaCare reward scale over competition. Benefits are standardized and premiums are de facto price-controlled. With margins compressed to commodity levels, buying more consumers via mergers is simpler than appealing to them with better products, to the extent the latter is still legal.

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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    Holy shit you're dense lately.
    Holy shit... You can't answer a simple question.
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    Re: It's a deal: Iran agrees to halt nuclear program

    Quote Originally Posted by Flashback View Post
    What I laid out was a negotiation plan from the former administration.
    Why didn't the previous administration sign such a wonderful, marvelous, magnificent, superb, glorious, sublime, lovely, delightful, super, great, fantastic, terrific, sensational, fabulous, awesome brilliant, peachy, dandy, neat, swell agreement?
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